Corporal punishment survey 93

Apr 24, 2020#921

Hi brick and six of the best
When I was first slippered by Mr Hislop, I was in the third form of jnr. school now called year five,  The the class moved up to the fourth form now year six I think! and our class teacher was (yes you guessed it} mr Hislop who not only the head master!  but our {mostly) class teacher as well.

He had a brown coloured slipper/plimsole which we called the “kipper” because of the colour what he would fo for “punishment” or his fun” the the First boy or girl he called out to touch their toes got one stroke of the slipper which did sting a little !  The second boy/girl he called out to bend over got Two whacks again that stung a bit more!   The third boy or girl  he called out got three whacks that mostly did “Hurt” a lot. But Mr Hislop was reluctant to to give Four whacks,  One time I was called out to get Four! I touched me toes and he raised the slipper up Then the bell went He said up you get John  and come back after play time?  I did so and told him it was for Four and I nervously Touched my toes and felt the first whack Then he said up You get John!  The rest of the class put up hands and said it should be four Sir Then Mr Hislop said No the bell went and the old session ended , This is a new session and it starts with one , Some asked about going up to SIX in a session ?  But Mr. Hislop said five and six was too many and hurt too much little boys and girls of ten or eleven.

Also he would slipper the last boy or girl back in class after play time /break with one “punishment” whack of the slipper,  that did sting but we could stand it no problem.  He at times did use the cane but mostly he just tapped with it and it did not hurt at all .

Must close now. Regards.  John_smage 85@yahoo.com

Quote
Share

Apr 24, 2020#922

There was another teacher who liked to †ell boys to bend over that was mr Kissack who mostly carried a cane he also would “spank” across his lap boys and even girls age 8 and 9 that was the old 1st and 2nd year as well h would cane boys in the playground from age 8-11 Now believe it o not I did ask Mr Kissack to spank me in place of a playtime detention when I was 8 he agreed and I went over his lap in front of the class he said 8 spanks instead of detention , The first four spanks did hurt and I said ow twice He stopped the spanking and asked the class has John been spanked enough But the class said and my
friends as well said continue the spanking as well as spank him Sir So Mr Kissack said sorry John 4 more spanks he then continued to punishment spank my bottom after 8 my eyes were damp as he let me up

As I went back to my desk I said thanks friends and my bottom stung with bing spanked
Must close now.
John_smage85@yahoo.com

Apr 24, 2020#923

Hello john_smage,

It sounds as though you witnessed even more SCP in the upper classes of Junior School than I did!  And you were certainly in receipt of more personally!  If you feel able it would be helpful to know what era and roughly what part of the country this was.  I notice you’ve omitted both those fields when you’ve responded to the SCP survey in your contribution #916.  Don’t identify the school though unless you really wish to do so.

I note that you say Mr Hislop used identical MO for boys and girls in that they both had to touch their toes for the slipper.  When he used the cane were the recipients of that also required to touch their toes  please?  You note that he didn’t cane very hard, but from your accounts quite clearly his slipperings were pretty painful for boys.  Was it your impression please that he slippered girls just as hard?

john_smage wrote:One time I was called out to get Four! I touched me toes and he raised the slipper up Then the bell went He said up you get John  and come back after play time?  I did so and told him it was for Four and I nervously Touched my toes and felt the first whack Then he said up You get John!  The rest of the class put up hands and said it should be four Sir Then Mr Hislop said No the bell went and the old session ended , This is a new session and it starts with one ,

Typical that your classmates tried to get you four whacks instead of the one!  Children then could be a little unsympathetic to those being whacked!  Both times I was subjected to CP at primary school I was very conscious that quite a lot of the spectators were enjoying the show.

Your description of Mr Hislop makes me wonder if he was what I term a ‘bread and circuses’ teacher.  That is a teacher who used SCP or other embarrassing punishments as an integral part of his or her classroom persona.   In effect making a contract with the class that in return for reasonable concentration on the learning job in hand they’d get plenty of guaranteed entertainment as those erring were punished.    Very much as the Roman emperors persuaded the Roman underclass to behave by giving them free food and entertainment in the colosseum.  Absolutely nothing wrong with being a ‘bread and circuses’ teacher, some of the best teachers I encountered fell into that category.

Mr Hislop’s slippering of those last back to class must have given some scope for contriving to get particular individuals slippered.  A little jostling, a possession hidden etc., to ensure that a particular person was delayed a little and last back.  I reckon I’d have been a marked man if any of my junior school teachers had followed that tradition.   Did you encounter any evidence of that sort of thing at your school please?

Apr 24, 2020#924

Hello john_smage again.

Oops, hadn’t seen your contribution #922 when I posted my #923 above.  More evidence of children enjoying seeing a classmate whacked!  Mr Kissack sounds a little unusual.  Even in infants school I’d have thought that boys, and especially girls, over the knee would have been a no-no for a male teacher.  At age 8 or 9, very much so!

Apart from being extended from the proffered stop at four to the full eight smacks at the behest of your classmates was your spanking  by Mr Kissack otherwise straightforward please?  No pulling tight of school short trousers or other embelishments?  Did girls take being spanked over Mr Kissack’s knee as just a routine punishment?  No whispers of a bit creepy or other expressions of doubt?

Apr 25, 2020#925

Hello Another Luker,

This did not take place in The United Kingdom but on the Isle of Man which is part of the old Empire we were / are not  subject laws of the UK.   The school was Albert Road which was pulled down and turned into a car park ,   Parents thought My Hislop and mr Kissack could do no wrong.   After he retired he stood fo Tynwald and was elected with a large majority  I voted for him   I say no more .    RGS (secondary School  12-18 used the slipper to keep order with gym masters slippered mostly though thin shots
Hope is what u wanted to know?

Apr 25, 2020#926

To Another lurker

Will and your other questions when I get more time

John Smafe

Apr 25, 2020#927

Hello A_L,  In reference to your questions in *924  Yes I was not to pleased with my classmates when Mr Kissack offered to stop at four  but my classmates said continue the spanking// spank him , Much to their delight he continued to “punishment” spank me suitable for a 8 year old and they hurt that I nearly cried . He did not pull my short pants tight , I did push the tail of my shirt down to protect or to ease the spanking, But he did pull the shirt tail out  But he did ask was I sure about being spanked instead of detention? As I was across his lap I said spank me and he started to spank me slowly and each spank hurt after 8 spanks I was nearly crying , he said spanking over John.  No detention.

As for girls again age 8 + I recall he mostly offered them detention at play time or a spanking?   I think much to the enjoyment of the class and( I guess  Mr.. Kissack) the Girls mostly chose to be spanked and like the boys put themselves across his knees ,   If the girl had a long cardigan on he would turn it back, Then the girls skirt was left on and the girl would be spanked through their skirt, the girls would say OW like the boys as a spank hit their bottom.

Regards  Kenneth_shuker@yahoo.com

Apr 25, 2020#928

Reply to the cane question

Hi A_L in Reference to *923 Both Mr Hislop and Mr Kissack  used the cane (as well as slipper) Though he was head master if often took classes if the normal teacher for that form / year/ class was for some reason was away this happened in the 2nd form age 9 approx. We had a FREE Lesson once a week where we could play board games read comics even school work it was winter time so we could not go out.  For a bit of fun I guess for Mr, Hislop and the class he would have all the boys  line  up for the cane about 15 boys I think , He said two strokes each and he had a box with paper slips saying “taps” or ” punishment”  Each boy was called in turn to draw out and then touch their toes, He turned up blazer/Jacket and gave two strokes of the cane across the boys bottom, most times it was taps  But when it was my turn it said “punishment” and Mr .Hislop chalked the cane he said tough luck John  Touch your toes I obeyed he turns back blazer  Then heard a click as the cane landed and felt it sting then a second click and that stung a bit as well, He said punishment over John up you get Then he said don’t rub the chalk lines of you shorts IF you do he would refresh them!
he then caned the rest of the boys I think two more boys were punished , One by accident rubbed the chalk lines off, He was honest enough or silly enough to own up he had rubbed the chat lines off He went to the front of the class and touched his toes and Mr Hislop rechecked the cane and gave two more punishment strokes.  When the boy came back he did not rub his bottom and his eyes were damp
John_smage85@yahoo.com

Apr 25, 2020#929

Hello john_smage,

Thank you for your most excellent and comprehensive replies to my various queries.  Both boys and girls seem to have had a lively time with regard to SCP at your Junior School and I am now convinced from your descriptions that both Mr Hislop and Mr Kissack were teachers of the ‘bread and circuses’ persuasion.  Mr Hislop’s caning game is quite fascinating.  I encountered only one teacher whose classroom performance came anywhere near that amazing standard, but he was a most excellent teacher and went on to become the headmaster of an old established and prestigious grammar school in a town in Northern England (no, not that one).

Did you have any female teachers at Junior School please, or indeed at the RGS (though I assume the latter was a boys’ school)?   If so did they display the same innovation and ingenuity in the delivery of SCP as Mr Hislop and Mr Kissack?  Although there are accounts here of such female teachers they are relatively infrequent and as this is one of my special interest areas I am always eager to hear more.

BTW, although the title of this Forum suggests a rather restricted part of the CP spectrum, by courtesy of the Forum Management other parts of that spectrum have also been regularly discussed, especially Judicial Corporal Punishment, another of my special interest areas.  Indeed my ideal account here would be a combination of my two aforementioned special interest areas, but alas that is quite rare.  There has however been much discussion here of birching, particularly the versions employed on the Isle of Man.  Are you of an age please to have any recollections of birching cases or circumstances surrounding them, or indeed any local information on how they were conducted?

Finally may I please congratulate you on your use of the BBCode facilities provided by Tapatalk.  So few people venture there and it is a pleasure to see that you are an exception.

Apr 25, 2020#930

Hi Another Lurker,    REF *923  SLIPPER FOR GIRLS
Yes Mr Hislop and mr Kissack did slipper girls With Mr Hislop it was the same drill the first boy // Girl to touch Their toes got one whack the second boy // girl got two whacks The Third got three whacks With Three whacks most boys or girls had damp eyes as it HURT a lot.  The fourth boy/ girl would get four whacks which he hardly ever gave as most times as a boy or girl touching their toes to get four the bell would go to end the session What I did not know then he adjusted the sting of the slipper to the age or the boy or girl touching their toes.  He would slipper the girls just as hard as the boys or so it seemed The girls like the boys could take TWO whops off the slipper with no problem though it did STING a lot.  Three would make our eyes go damp both boys and Girls
John_smage85@yahoo.com